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on the death of jeffery epstein and there's new questions how he died in jail as investigators raid his private island. i'm bill hemmer in new york. >> sandra: i'm sandra smith. we're learning new details on the time line of the day. we're learning one guard of was a substitute. the other was reportedly not even a corrections officer. the new york post now reporting epstein used bed sheets to hang himself and left unattended for hours. >> bill: agent now searching his u.s. virgin islands home as attorney general bill barr vows to find answers on epstein's death. >> i was appalled and indeed the whole department was and frankly
angry to learn of the mccs failure to adequately secure his prisoner. we are now learning of serious irregularities of this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation. the fbi and the office inspector general are doing just that. we will get to the bottom of what happened and there will be accountability. >> sandra: in moments we'll speak with rudy giuliani in studio. we begin first with bryan with details. >> reporter: jeffery epstein killed himself with a bed sheet wrapped around his neck tide -- tied to the bunk ged and he kneeled to the floor and strangled himself with the sheet and found unresponsive at the
metropolitan correctional center saturday. the question is how is a high-profile inmate like epstein at a facility known for tight security. epstein did not have a cell might that night which is unusual taken off suicide watch. it's very rare fon an inmate to be on suicide watch and his profile kept him in the special housing unit which may have contributed to the circumstances around his death. >> the average person is placed in the general population after a suicide watch. the chief psychologist in consultation with the warden determines he's no longer a risk and they say okay back to population. there's activities program, more access to mental health
professionals and case counsellors. that's the optimal situation. >> we know epstein was not checked on several hours prior to death which is a violation of normal operations calling for check every 30 minutes. the union representing two of the guards responsible for watching he unit said the guard overworked. one worked over 80 hours and one volunteered because the mcc has been short staffed for years. t "the new york times" reports one was not even an officer. age ernts -- agents arrived to search his private island showing they're still investigating his sex trafficking network which may include his former described as epstein's accusers known as his madame and arranging sex with underage girls. lawyers for his accusers are now
asking a federal judge to dismiss epstein's non-prosecution agreement including parts that offered immunity to co-conspirators. >> bill: i want to invite in rudy giuliani. nice to see you and good morning. the metropolitan correctal center. you know it well. you saw it being built. how would you explain it and describe it. what's happening on a saturday night inside this jail. >> it's a jail rather than a prison. a jail is a place you hold people when they're awaiting trial. a prison is when you put them when they finally get sentenced. they're more permanent places and prisons are easier to handle. jails are more transient different population in and out every day. there's no excuses. what happened is mind-boggling. it's impossible to happen. it's a small facility.
it's not reicher's island with many different buildings. one building. almost everything is within view if you want it to be of the guards. this argument whether he was on suicide watch nort -- is silly. the guy was a high-risk prisoner. he's a guy there's probably 50 very important people who have a motive to kill him. not alleging anyone named but it's true. we know some people are in a lot trouble because of epstein and they know who they are. there's tremendous motive to kill him. >> bill: like a novel. >> prisoners don't like him. he's alleged to be maybe the most notorious child predator of our generation. prisoners are strange. perverts they don't like. they'll kill a pervert just to
kill a pervert. second, he's a possible rat also. there's a lot of talk about him testifying. i believe you have to do that. it's good for the government. they believe you're a rat when you do it. you have three strong reasons why this man may be done in. he may commit suicide, he apparently attempted it or was attacked and the third one is maybe a prisoner on his own will take him out like they did with whitey bulger. i don't understand how anyone can't explain not having him under 24-hour surveillance or the checks. >> bill: was there a camera? >> of course it wasn't working they said. the camera wasn't working. there's a camera in every part of the prison. every single telephone call in and out of prison is listened to. prisons are prison.
the federal prison system, i used to be in charge of it in the reagan administration and worked on it for 15 years as a u.s. attorney. federal prison system is the best in the world. when norman carlson ran it, i was there, it was the model. it's hard to believe this could happen. >> bill: this is what we believe to be the case here. not placed on suicide watch. not checked for several hours, no cell mate at time of death. one guard was a substitute, guards working overtime shifts. >> the last two are no excuse whether he's a substitute or not, he has eyes. epstein was not a tough guy to contain. if you saw him take sheet, anybody with reasonable build or courage can take him down or call for help right away. whether he's a substitute or not, that's silly. they're overworked. this is a prime target prisoner in that prison.
name one in more jeopardy than this guy. great, we don't have great sympathy for him because he's a sexual predator, allegedly, was was a treasure trove of valuable information about the truth of the falsity and i believe there's people probably named and end up being horribly defamed. only he knows and the kind of guy where you probably couldn't have let him out of jail or gave him a light at the end of the tunnel maybe you could appeal to him making it right by telling the truth. >> bill: make sure he lives. july 23 was the incident where he was found in his cell. he tried to hurt himself or the cell mate tried to harm him. august 1 he's found dead in his cell august 10. >> i never heard the policy
you're on suicide watch for a week. you're on watch as long as there's conditions. the conditions were no different the day he attempted suicide. he was in prison looking at life in prison, looking at going from this prison to probably even more rigid conditions of confinement, tough guy to go to a prison. you send this guy to a prison population you know what's going to happen to him, right. are they going to get a terrible death in prison or locked in solitary confinement. that condition remained the day they took him off suicide watch. you got to be nuts. >> bill: i have a conversation with you and i'm going to gauge your mental state. that's what they're charged with doing inside this jail. they clearly had conversations with him and his lawyers, likely, over a period of 10 days and said it's okay to take you off suicide watch.
i understand the sheets you're given are made of paper. is that true? >> that's true, yes. >> bill: and he hung himself way bed sheet. >> we can go beyond that. his room should have been guarded because anyone that got loose could have stabbed him, choke him, make it look like he hung. he was the guy one of those prisoners would love to kill to have that on his creds. and probably nobody would turn him in if he did it so would feel a certain sense of protection. you have to understand a prison. the people running that understand it. it would be very hard for me to understand the explanation as to why this man wasn't watched 24 hours a day. >> bill: three more questions quickly. could it be simple negligence? >> yes. >> bill: do you believe epstein killed epstein?
>> i don't know. i think i have to step back and say i don't know what to believe. i think the attorney general gives me great confidence there'll be a thorough investigation. he's tough as nails. that's the saving grace. all the fact have to come out otherwise all the conspiracy theories will come out. >> bill: you came out on twitter and said let's old our fire and wait for the facts. >> it's hard to speculate this person and that person has a motive. everybody has motives. doesn't mean they participated in a killing and to extrapolate like that. the man was found in his cell and it looks like something was put around his neck either by him or someone else and was hung. now there's three possibilities, he hung himself, a prisoner, what happens in prison, killed him, because he's the kind of guy they kill in prison, or
three, somebody from the outside organized this. and the guards either did it neglectly or -- negligently. >> bill: when do you believe we get the answers, when is that? >> probably going to take a couple weeks. it's a tough investigation but a short one. it's nothing like the other investigation he's conducting of interference of the election. they relish the guy that jumped out of the window of blue moon hotel the night before he was going testify against alan anastasia and the headline said the canary can sing but he can't fly. >> bill: thank you, mayor. rudy giuliani. thanks for coming in. >> take care. >> bill: sandra, back to you. >> sandra: an iowa voter calling
out kam la -- kamala harris and the statement on health care. >> bill: bernie sanders calling out fake media says he's the victim of a faulty media story. does he have a point? and a wild shootout on a freeway in california. >> sandra: dramatic video in a shootout and what led to the scene. >> she stopped in front of me and a stopped and then i saw her front windshield take a round. that's when i heard the kid screaming because i didn't know there were two kids in the car. this was me before liberty mutucustomized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. and this is me now! any physical changes to this man's appearance are purely coincidental.
>> we're all paying for health care for everyone and it's another burden for us. i want to make sure your health care's the way you like. i promise you that. we won't mess with the health care you have. >> bill: that's a 91-year-old woman in iowa not mincing words with kamala harris about health care. she said she doesn't want her health care touched. harris supports health care changes. charlie, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> bill: this highlight the challenge in iowa. >> yeah, it's kind of interesting because its making matters more difficult for people like kamala harris. we kind of heard this before how i don't want to mess with your health care with years of hearing from president obama you're not going to lose your doctor or insurance and then so many people lost their dook for and insurance. it's a real problem.
we're sort of at the fantasy stage where you have democrats all trying to out do one another making more outlandish promises and kamala harris is having the hardest time explaining how it's going to work. >> bill: why would that be? many are out supporting it. >> she put out a plan last week that had people scratching their heads. the math doesn't work out. everyone wants everyone to have health care the problem is how do you manage to do that without bankrupting people or making sure they get decent health care. that's where you're seeing a lot of candidates write checks they won't be able to cash and i think in a lot cases you'll have to walk it back. come the general election
whoever winds up being the nominee will be checked by president trump. >> bill: harris said i want to make sure it's the way you like it. i won't mess with the health care you have and on that point you're right, it sounds a lot like barack obama 2009. bernie sanders said why you may not know it by recent media coverage he's in a positive trajectory as evidenced by data points and called up cnn and msnbc. what's up with bernie? >> it's hard not to feel sorry for him what we learned after the last go around in terms of what the party establishment did to block him from getting the nomination. he put up a tremendous fight and i think had those people not intervened i think he probably very likely would have actually won the democratic nomination in
2016 and fast forward four years, first of all, everybody's ripped him off and running with his script this time. on top of it, you still have the powerful figures in the media trying to pretend he's over and gone but if you look at polled, and i think -- polls and i think polls are sort of ridiculous except to look at glimpses of where things stand he's in the top two or three among democratic voters. whether he can pull off what he did last time, you know, in terms of the popularity and stuff i don't know. >> bill: you have a better chance in 2020 doing it because the rules are changed on super delegates. charlie hurt, thanks. >> sandra: climate change is becoming a rallying cry for 2020 democrats in iowa. >> he denies the existence and reality and imminency of the
climate crisis and instead of pushing science fiction to fact to our collective peril. iowa knows that well. >> sandra: president trump heading to battleground pennsylvania where he is promising new jobs in the natural gas industry so whose got this right? energy secretary rick perry joins us next on that.
product and kills and if you don't think the scientists know what they're doing you're dead wrong. >> sandra: one of the many democrats pushing for a more aggressive approach to climate change as president trump heads to pennsylvania two hours from now to push his message. energy secretary rick perry is former governor of texas. a major oil and gas rich state, of course. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> sandra: let's starts with things we're hearing on the campaign trail including bernie sander's charge that companies are destroying the plant and they're talking about litigation, lawsuits, elizabeth warren. what do you make of the rhetoric in the campaign trail. >> i think they live in a fantasy world. the united states is lowering emissions. one of the only countries in the
world. i think of all the 194 that signed the paris accord the u.s. is leading the world in reducing emissions. america is transitioning away from old inefficient power plant to natural gas plant and let's get lng to europe where they can do the same thing. maybe they think, they being the democrats running for president, that china would be a better place for all this manufacturing to occur. it's fantastical when you think about the true misrepresentation of the truth the democrats are spewing out. >> sandra: there's certainly a growing appetite to take on climate change and you're hearing that by the response that some democrats running for president and seeing it show up in the polls too as one of the biggest issues that will come up in the 2020 election.
what currently is the trump administration's stance when it comes to climate change. what is the plan? >> we are addressing it. that's one of the things the media needs to take a second look at what's going on. i'm leaving here from pittsburgh heading to our national energy technical lab where we're seeing that type of technology developed to reduce emissions and come up with technologies and the innovation. 15 years ago people told us we found all the oil and gas that there was. there was no more. innovation change had whether it's hydraulic fact -- fracturing and we're driving down emissions. that's the story the democrats don't want to talk about because it doesn't meet their narrative of going out and scare the
american public into potentially vote forg them. i don't think -- voting for them. i don't think the american people will be fooled by the rhetoric. >> sandra: with the message going out and pushing the message in western pennsylvania and the goal is to turn oil to plastics and the world is sounding alarm over the ubiquity and impact. this picture of turning natural gas into plastics in western pennsylvania to create about 600 jobs, how should that be seen, mr. secretary? >> number one, there's about 6,000 construction jobs going on and a $6 billion plus in the economy to the people of the appalachian region and i don't think democrats will say that's bad for pennsylvania if they're trying to put pennsylvania in
their column. here's the key, we're using poly ethylene products practically in everything we touch in the world, whether it's car parts or high-end health care products like heart valves. this is what's going to be produced at this plant. does the world need to address this issue of plastics getting into the ocean? absolutely and i've heard the president talk about that at our environmental conference we had about a month ago. the president is focussed on some of the challenges the world has but the idea that we're not going to use plastics, i mean, we use these products in our wind turbines. we use them in our solar panels. you can't have it both ways and the democrats are trying to. >> sandra: mr. secretary, we're out of time we appreciate you coming on and hope you come back soon to dig into that more. >> certainly. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: another alert here chaos in the heart of a major
city a man going on a stabbing spree yelling alla akbar and this this today. roll it. >> president trump's public charge in inadmissibility rule supports immigrant supporting themselves as they seek opportunity here in america. >> sandra: the trump administration issuing a new policy that limits the number of immigrant who can get a green card. the white house saying they are following the laws in this place but immigration groups disagree with that and have a different take. we'll get all takes next.
>> we deny green cards to those who are welfare dependent. >> bill: and a chunk of the border wall wraps up in san diego and where we go. >> the administration put in about 57 miles of new fencing. replacing this put in in the early '90s with this style. they just completed the patch here. and also they're putting in 14 miles of secondary fence. can see it's 30-feet tall and have an anti-scaling plate on top and 43% is what it's gone down in the last three months and the crackdown in mexico and the remain in mexico program where we have 40,000 asylum seekers staying in mexico to await their hearing. up to 40,000, 450 now a day
they're send message to those in central america saying they will not come if they can't stay. it's having a deterrent effect. the conditions in mexico, migrants say, are bad. they don't have anymore money so they're choosing to stay home. some are going in busses to the guatemala border, some by choice, some by not. and there was a claim the u.s. is effectively denying migrant the right to due process. >> when we say we're assisting we're giving them guidance how to do their job. it's the government of mexico's job to make sure they're shelters are adequate enough like it is on our side. >> the other major success is the crackdown on busses and with the national guard. it may not be sustainable but
right now having a big difference. >> sandra: for more all this and the battle of green cards we have a fox news contributor. what do you think of the new rule as it pertains to the law and where the administration's gone here? >> it's clearly law fol have -- law rule and it's been an immigration law since the beginning of the country. the question is whether the 137-page rule will be sustained. i imagine it will be challenged and maybe a judge holds it unconstitutional and tries to stop it for a while but i think
ultimately it will prevail as a legal issue. is it lawful for the president to do this and the answer is clearly yes. >> sandra: meanwhile the aclu filed a petition fighting back, as well as you heard many democrats speaking out against the rule change. the aclu petition said quote, the proposed rule would disrupt decade of understanding and effect people with disabilities as they're likely to need government assistance. it's not only cruel but illegal. do those hitting back against this have a point, sol? >> i haven't read the rule but the devil is always in the detail. people will say it discriminates against handicap people or discriminates based on wealth. you may find a judge that says it's an equal protection clause
violation but there's no question you can have a public charge test which is based on the proposition you can't come to this country and try to get citizenship status if you're going to be a public charge. in the old days you couldn't even begin the trip over unless you had a sponsor, a relative who greed, hey, if this -- agreed, hey, if this person ends up poor, i'll take care of him or her so they don't always go on welfare. that's always been a feature of immigration law in this country. >> sandra: meanwhile, questions over what happens next with the case against jeffery epstein and of course his victims and the assets he still has. ken starr was on hannity last night and said this. >> i'm very disstressed by the fact the day after he was visiting with his defense lawyers, he is found dead. that strikes me as very very
concerning, to put it mildly. >> sandra: what do you see happening next with this investigation, sol? >> well, it depends on which investigation you're talking about. if you're talking about the investigation of sex abuse of minors, epstein, the investigation of epstein himself is over, obviously. he's dead and he's innocent in the eyes of the law and there will be no criminal restitution or forfeiture because of his death. his victims are out of luck there. however, like in any civil case the victims can go over his estate and if they can prove he harmed them and there's damages because of that, they can get those damages but they will not be able, i don't think, to go in and seize them ahead of time. now, remember, there's a criminal case as a.g. barr anoun
-- announced. those who conspired with him have criminal liability. >> sandra: and the criminal investigation into how exactly he was able to die in that jail. that will continue as well to your point about there being two investigations. we appreciate you coming on, sol, thank you, nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> bill: did you see this now? a-rod was robbed. alex rodriguez' rental car in san francisco and stole jewel and electronics worth $500,000 three blocks from where the slugger was covering the game at oracle park. >> sandra: that's what one does, leave $500,000 of jewelry in a rental car. >> bill: who does that? i feel bad for him but --
>> sandra: president trump, meanwhile, calling out russia for an explosion on at nuclear facility site. are they working on a new weapon? >> bill: the latest push for more background checks. debbie dingle will be here but first she is here next, live. >> i think we can do meaningful background checks. i want to see it happen. i have support from other people on the other side. i think democrats and republicans have a chance here. for you.
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>> bill: house democrats calling for senate action on a bill that would expand background checks. it passed in the house back in february and my next guest is one of the lawmakers attending the haven't debbie dingell. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill, good to see you. >> bill: give me the bullet points, well, not a great choice of words. give me the headlines from the bill first. >> what we're trying to do is just get the senate to act on the background bill we passed in february. we have kids going back to school in a couple weeks and parents and kids are scared to death about what's going to happen. we have to start this traditional going to your corner, everybody take a position and nobody talking to each other. we have to do something about guns in this country. people are scared. kids in school are scared and people are being killed.
do you know that 93% of the children between 0 and 14 of the top 25 industrialized nation are killed by guns are american. something's wrong. >> bill: i agree, there seems to be a certain edge out there that's unacceptable. here's part of what you're talking about today, however, establishing new background check retirements between private party and requires a licensed gun dealer and importer to first conduct a background check. does not apply to certain firearm sponsors such as a gift between spouses and good faith. seems the transfer between friends and family is something that would still be there and protected. here's the question, el paso, he passed a background check. it appears the killer in dayton did as well and even had help from a friend, apparently, according to some reports. >> what i'd like to see and i've introduced a red flag bill.
many know the history of my own family where my father had issues and i know what it's like to hide in a closet and scared you're going to die and what it's like to live in fear of a gun and was married almost 40 years to one of the founders of the nra. i can't run away from that but it's a very different nra. he said to me before he died when he was on the board of tthe nra he was a responsible gun owner but he also said times have changed. that's got to be red flag laws. >> bill: do you believe red flag laws work? >> i can give you specific examples and yes, if someone and law enforcement needs a tool and the mother in texas called and said she didn't think her son should have that gun. she didn't say he was a danger to himself but i talked to law
enforcement officers who believe they don't have enough tools when people said this person's talking this way or i'm worried about my father, my son, they need a tool to be able to take the gun away, protect due process. can go to court. >> bill: this is not easy to do. let me back up a little bit. according to reports the mother called to ask questions what the gun can do and did not express a level of concern that would draw the police to her son. that's what's been reported so far. but when you look at red flag laws you're asking where, snitch is not the right word, but you need to have somebody report to somebody else, go to a judge, get an order, enforce the order, fight it in court, get due process and then hope it all works out. it's complicated stuff. >> i agree. no one said it was easy but instead of everybody going to our corner and having everybody
in the same position let's get it to the table. red flag would work if someone thought you were an immediate danger, different laws and different states so different solutions. the one we introduced law enforcement would be able to take the gun if there was a thought there was an imminent threat like when i was young and thought my father was going to kill me and when i was young the police wouldn't even come he's too important. they could have taken the gun and my father would have gone to court and we want to protect the due process but we want to be able to have a tool out there if someone is considered a danger to themselves or the community, somebody's watching it. somebody's got the power to take that gun. until we're raising awareness and hopefully we're educating communities if someone is worried someone's a threat, you need to alert somebody, see
something, say something. >> bill: it's great to have you back. let's see what happens with the press conference today. the president said he wants meaningful background checks. thank you for your time. nice to see you. >> sandra: president trump heading to the key battleground state of pennsylvania. a state he won in 2016 and a state democrats want to flip. our headliner is trump 2020 senior adviser mercedes schlapp. >> bill: and a highway patrol officer gunned down in a shoot out on a freeway and a live report how this happened in a moment.
were in the back. >> i ran up to her car, opened up the back door and grabbed the two kids and hid them behind the engine block and waited for a lull and waited and had a couple more ricochets to pass us and i yelled people to get in their car. >> sandra: a marine risking his life to rescue a mother and her children in a wild shootout before the gunman was shot and killed himself. we're live in los angeles with more on that. >> it all unfolded in broad daylight before 6:00 p.m. near a major southern california freeway. let's get to the video. it's like out of a movie showing
multiple officers under attack and returning fire but too real for the officers involved and anyone who happened to be driving by. it's being described as a long and horrific gun battle and when it was over one highway patrol officer and gunman were killed and innocent buy -- bystanders were hit. and there was a traffic pass on an overpass and they determine the car needed to be impounded and while filling out the paperwork the suspect pulled out a rifle and opened fire on the officer. backup was immediately call and a major gun battle immediately began.
andre moy was a transferred to hospital and was a veteran. >> he loved his job. he really wanted this job. and my son wants to be a chp officer and i'm like, it's not going to happen. >> he's the fourth california police officer to be shot and killed in the line of duty this year. >> anita vogel, thank you. >> bill: and we're live in the pentagon on a russian nuclear facility and more on jeffery epstein and when will we know what happened that saturday night coming up in a moment, next.
>> sandra: the market up 352 points this morning the reason is news on china. there's a delay in those proposed 10% tariffs on imports from china affecting a lot of electronics and based on health, safety and national security concerns. this announcement was just made by the uftr and driving markets up and dow up 422 points. bill, you can say it's being perceived as positive news for u.s. >> bill: i'd agree with that.
between yesterday and today was dramine week. >> sandra: fox news alert a nuclear mystery with global security hanging in the balance. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." >> bill: an explosion at a russian site and ins -- intensifying fears of a new arms race. lucas thomas tracks down what we need to know. >> there's reports an evacuation has been ordered not far from the city where a russian cruise missile blew up killing five scientists on the secretive russian project. radiation levels are continuing to spike. russian media said victims have been sent back to moscow due to
radiation levels 16 times above normal. officials say it's the latest of embarrassing setbacks for the russian military. thousands of people attended funerals for the russian scientists killed during the test of the missile's new rocket engine. a company said the scientist s were on a barge at sea when the explosion through them in the frigid waters and many are concerned about the radiation levels bringing up memories of chernobyl. president trump saying the united states is learning more from the failed explosion we have similar technology and has people worried about the explosion. not good. president putin tout the success of the missile and boasted it could fly five times the speed of sound and evade the u.s. defense systems. shortly of the speak, officials
said the nuclear russian cruise missile crashed in the arctic with many worried about the environment. >> bill: lucas with more on that when we get it from the pentagon. >> what happened to me is mind-boggling. it's impossible. it's not rikers island. he wasn't on suicide watch. he should have been on watch. he was a high-risk prisoner. >> sandra: former mayor rudy giuliani giving his take earlier on the program on the death of disgraced financier jeffery epstein at the metropolitan correctional center. the newsroom a-team washington examiner and real politics founder tom bevan and capri
cafaro. lets start off as we now look back at what happened in that jail cell. lots of questions still emerging over how this could happen and you heard mayor giuliani asking that question. >> there's legitimate questions and now congress is getting involved and people want to know how this happened. again, the question is whether there was rank incompetence or the suggestion something serious happened and it's too early and irresponsible to suggest there was a plot against jeffery epstein. though it seems incomprehensible there was this level of incompetence, it seems that's what the situation was. >> people are focussing on incompetence or something worse. when i talk to people across the country, their frustration with the system overall is a, things don't work the way they're supposed to and basic common
sense is not adhered to and people rich and powerful and connected are able to get away with things normal people can't. this story combines the arguments with grotesque crimes and you can see why people are geared towards conspiracy thinking in this front. >> i think it's too soon to jump to any kind of conclusions. we have significant issues within our correction system when it comes to suicide. 7% of the deaths of inmate as of 2014 are due to suicide. it's a huge problem in state prisons. less so in federal prisons. we have the issue in the absence of jeffery epstein it will be difficult to seek justice for numerous victims. >> bill: bill barr has confirmed
the investigation will continue and he was on suicide watch for a week. he's off suicide watch on august 1 and dead on august 10. giuliani said it could be weeks before we get a decision. the longer it goes the more speculation you get out there which isn't healthy. >> let me add to what kristen said you have a loss in government and social media is part of it. it's easy. it seems like our society is set up to be taken advantage of by folks spinning conspiracy theory and in the broader context there's next year's election. you can believe if it's close, half the country whether it's supporters or the people supporting democrats will be spinning up conspiracy theories and people will be believing them and it's bad for the
country. >> i wish we could not just extrapolate and go from point a to q on some things. you're right, there's a pervasive mistrust in our systems of government. we need to focus on one thing at a time. i do think there is an obligation on behalf of the and department of justice and judiciary committee to look at the issues. what the correction facility is saying is you're dealing with understaffed and overworked correction officers. >> sandra: one wasn't even a corrections officer. bill barr said they'll be thoroughly investigated. he's saying there's serious irregularities. >> bill: hang on right now. president trump going to pennsylvania today. it could be the state that determines the campaign next year. he'll talk jobs and natural gas
while in iowa, 2020 dems are continuing to push climate change and bernie sanders laid it out this way. >> not only is climate change real, but if we do not get our act together in the next 12 years, there will be irreparable damage done to our country and the world. we'll tell the oil companies and coal companies and gas companies they're short-term profits are not more important than the future of this planet. >> bill: so peter doocy joins us live from des moines on that. hey, peter. >> it's not just iowa state fair week it's also american wind week. the two kind of come together at the entrance of the fair ground. there's a 187-foot long wind turbine some of the candidates have come to sign and now that they've left the democrats that want to be president, are fan ought across -- fanning out
across iowa pitching themselves as advocates of alternative energy. >> iowa knows the floods we've been seeing from the missouri river, crops under water and you're not taking that seriously saying wind turbines cause cancer. no, they cause jobs. >> also in iowa another centerpiece is climate change. most links are about climate change and tackling gun violence and health care will come after climate change. >> there's a lot of candidates in the democratic field. there's for our five potential vice presidents. it's great. there's a lot of talent in the field but immune eq. i'm unique in saying what i believe and it is this, unless we defeat the climate crisis everything else we worked on
will be moot. >> and another candidate has enough donors to make the stage and part of his pitch is addressing the climate without congress and would use the powers of press -- the presidency to address this and pete buttigieg will be here for his photo op with a pork chop on a stick. >> bill: good eats. back with the a-team now. kristen to you, what do you make of that? >> it's clear when you look at what issues voters to democratic caucus going. climate change is way up there and even in a state like iowa and not on the coast but things like crops issues to folks. what's the prescription?
you can talk about how wanting to create green jobs and spark those industries but it talks about requiring people to useless gas. things like the green new deal having people eat less meat. and in speaking to primary voters and saying things that may hurt them. >> and there's a prescription and a challenge in the general election. coming from he heartland myself and ohio is the heart of it all and not too dissimilar from iowa we have a lot of agriculture and i think the democrats can find ways and not the classic wind and solar business we usually trot out but i would talk about anaerobic digesters and capturing methane and work the
beef and hog producers as a way to reduce waste and using soy and corn for biodegradable plastics. there's ways to engage the agricultural sector without alienating them at the same time. unfortunately things like the green new deal clips what i think are pragmatic -- >> bill: what will we do about the cows, capri? >> capture their you know what and use it for energy. >> bill: are you signing up for that job? >> and elizabeth warren was out way farmer and he says i don't like the green new deal wanting to do away with cows and she's like, meh and have you bernie sanders saying i'm coming after coal and gas companies. that's a message i think trump and his team are happy to engage especially when you talk about places like pennsylvania where trump's going to be today
touting a new facility producing 6,000 construction jobs and 600 permanent jobs and will be a real boost for that economy in the heart of appalachia. that's where this election's going to be won or loss. >> i see the cranes every time i drive to the pittsburgh airport. >> sandra: and touting gas into plastic in western pennsylvania today and look at what's happened with energy and oil and the independence we've gained based on what we've been doing, how do democrats combat that message? >> there was a great interview earlier with energy secretary rick perry, where he talked about the u.s. is reducing car been emissions by doing what we're doing here at home with vehicles using less carbon and democrats always want to paint republicans republicanses -- republicans as being anti-climate and there's
policies that lead to cleaner energy and reducing emissions. >> bill: kamala harris was confronted by a 91-year-old woman in iowa and the conversation went like this. >> let me tell you something, we're all paying for health care for everyone. i want to make sure your health care is the way you like it. i'll promise you that. i won't mess with the health care you have. >> bill: i won't mess with the health care you have. that's like the way back machine, 2009. >> she presented a number of policies in regards to how she's going to address the health care issue in the united states and she has less and less credibility the more she says more and more different things and came off pretty patronizing to that old woman that think was sincere and that's not a good look. >> health care is still the number one issue in this
election and was in 2016 and will be in 2020 and republicans need a plan. you can't do something with nothing and the republicans and donald trump don't have enough and folks don't want people to mess with their private health insurance. >> bill: see you in 30 minutes. >> sandra: terrifying scene after a man yelled allah akbar and goes on a stabbing streak on the streets of sydney. >> bill: and news in the ongoing trade war with china and are farmers in the heartland starting to feel that pain. charles payne up next with the numbers.
>> bill: there's breaking news from down under australia. members of the public are being called heroes after they subdued a man after he randomly stabbed a woman and another woman was found in a nearby apartment. investigators searching for a motive. >> by definition at the moment he's a lone actor. information was found on him to would suggest he had ideologies
to terrorism but has no links to terrorism and there's no current intelligence on the individual and has no apparent links to other terrorist organizations. >> bill: in addition to that, some reports he was screaming allah akbar. the suspect was known to police but his past gave no indication of the violence that occurred today. >> sandra: take a look at this, good thing charles payne sup here. the dow soaring nearly 500 points less than an hour into trading. it doesn't start off at the opening bell. the u.s. trade representative office released an announcement that they're delaying the proposed 10% tariffs on china, $300 billion of them until mid-september. it comes as the farmers have taken a hit losing their fourth
trade export market in china and suspended purchases of u.s. agricultural products. here to break it down, the host of "making money" charles payne is here. president trump tweeted saying they'd be buying big and so far they've not done what they've said. maybe this will be different, writes the president moments ago. >> the president is keeping america informed in a real-time fashion you can argue about some of the tweets but that's helpful and they said we just got off a phone call, it was upbeat and promisi promising, we'll delay this. there's a process. the u.s. representative still has to take comments from the
public and companies get to submit requests for solution. here's great news. they're delayed to december 15 for certain items, cell phones, laptops, video games, toys, monitors and things like that. >> bill: is that great news or is that just pushing the possibility further down the road? >> two things on the negotiating process. you have to have room to negotiate. maybe the time line wasn't long enough and maybe this gives it a better sense. here's the good thing. at least on wall street, the general feeling and it was tilted to the idea there won't be a deal before the election. wall street isn't concerned about that as much as let's not have additional pressure or more tariffs. >> bill: we're buying 14, 15 months at that point. >> it could be longer. we're saying wall street has come to the conclusion, china probably, president trump is
probably right. china may want to wait this out and see if someone else could take them on and we had data that was miserable and if hong kong can't keep their propositions to the -- propositions to their citizens and they're have broken other agreements -- >> sandra: there was another tweet by the president this morning talking about massive devaluation of their currency which he's been talking about and pumping vast sums of money into their system and what they're receiving is a gift from china. no inflation, farmers getting more than china would be spending. the fake news won't report that. >> he's saying year and a half ago there was a theory tariffs raised prices on consumers and
businesses and any article you read this week will say that but it has not materialized and there's reasons including chinese exporters lowering their prices so if they sell a ball for a buck they'll lower it to 90 cents and the same doll you can normally buy 10 of you can now buy 11. the prices have been offset by the time the product arrives. >> sandra: you can say it's not dramatically impacted the agricultural farmers. >> these are two different things. when people say trump's trade war is hurting the farmer, no, it's china's deliberate aim to hurt the american farmer. when people say the federal government shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and lose ers you're right but when the chinese government can pick winners and losers we have to be careful. two important surveys people
should know, iowa state university, 50% of farmers support the tariffs, 30% oppose and the economic barometer soared a month ago. the current position is the biggest ever one-month jump in the history of these. these are two major universities that poll farmers in the heartland. sometimes the "wall street journal" will post these but they're playing into china's hands. >> sandra: you talk. >> bill: you're point about the airport in hong kong with well taken. >> we need to pay close attention to the story and see how beijing reacts. and they're fighting themselves because we know how they want to react. >> bill: thank you. president trump meanwhile going to pennsylvania promoting jobs and the economy. that could be battleground state
a in the election for 2020. what will he tell voters today. we'll find out in a moment here. >> sandra: and anthony scaramucci and president trump in a public twitter feud. why the former white house communications director said the president should not be on the ballot in 2020. we'll speak to campaign adviser mercedes schlapp next. >> he can't be taken seriously and the mere fact the liberal media's decided they're going to take his word seriously, i think it's disgraceful.
win in 2016 and rick perry spoke with us last hour. >> there's about 6,000 construction jobs going on right now and a $6 billion impact to the people of the appalachian region and i don't think the democrats will say it's bad for pennsylvania. >> sandra: our headliner, mercedes schlapp is standing by and we begin with molly lein. >> president trump is expected to tour the petro complex where a massive plant is being constructed this afternoon. he's expected to speak to the thousands of workers on site to talk about the administration's economic policy and domestic process and it's a big project that broke ground in 2018.
what's being built is eye cracker plant. not the kind you eat. they'll convert edge -- ethane to plastic pellets. shell has 6,000 construction workers on site expected to ramp up in the coming months and the project has received tax breaks to set up shop here. sell said much of the plastic can be used to create environmental cars and medical devices but some have expressed concerns with air quality and we saw a shuttle bus and they'll bring workers here to hear the president speak. >> bill: we'll bring in our headliner mercedes schlapp campaign director for trump
2020. good morning, mercedes. welcome back to the program. here, 2:30 in the morning in pennsylvania the difference of a point. how do you handicap the campaign? does it run through pennsylvania? >> the media had their meltdown when the president won pennsylvania. it was a historic moment during the 20 16 campaign. now based on the president's vision for the booming economy you're starting to see positive impacts in states like pennsylvania. the unemployment rate is down to a record 3.8%. pennsylvania's added about 340,000 jobs. the president gets it. he knows the industries like oil, natural gas and coal are at the heart of pennsylvania in
ensuring they can create more jobs. he's going back to pennsylvania to be able to talk about his great economic accomplishments and the importance of energy dominance in the united states that pennsylvania and pennsylvania workers play a crucial part in ensuring the united states remains number one. >> bill: and p.a. is the critical state right now? >> there's so many critical state, wisconsin, ohio, michigan where the president had historic wins. you look at pennsylvania. when you look at the fact the last gop president to win that state before president trump was president george h.w. bush in 1988. here's the deal, president trump connect to the american worker, the blue collar democrat those left behind under the obama/biden administration. >> sandra: some can make the point, mercedes, and i'm sure
you see it out there in pockets of midwest states, some areas have not benefitted as much as the broader country when it comes to the economic rebound from several years ago. here's the real clear politics average in a trump-biden match-up and had joe biden the frontrunner beating him. how's he close the gap? >> the polls today won't be reflective of what we'll see when you have more of a match to match head-on match between a democrat and obviously president trump. look, it's very clear president trump is in a winning position. he has a record to run on. a positive record. that of economic sustainable economic growth that are impacting the states and impacting these communities. and that's your seeing him go to western pennsylvania where they're opening up another plant
and finding the balance between business, growth investment in our workers and finding the environmental business. while you have the opposite side of the democrats pushing extreme policies like the green new deal that would cost over $93 trillion over 10 years and we know would negatively impact these communities. >> bill: it's quite the contrast and see how the focus in pennsylvania. first, joe biden over the past three days went kind of like this. >> poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids, wealthy kids, black kids, asian kids. i watched what happened when the kids from parkland came um to see me and some of you covered it and watched what happened when they went up on the halls of congress. >> bill: his campaign said this is joe being joe. what do you think it is? >> i think it's plainly an excuse from the campaign. we see joe biden is in a
weakened position and can't remember basic facts and has made these comments which i think raises concerns for the democrats trying to make him the frontrunner. so but again the democrat party is at a point of disarray and chaos where they're trying to embrace the most extreme policies that would be closest to what you would see as a socialist ideology and that's concerning. the democrats themselves need to figure out what they stand for. so far what they stand for is name calling, identity politics and extreme policies. all three of the elements is a losing political strategy for the democrats. while the president's going to stay focussed on the issues that matter which is obviously ensuring the economy continues to grow and we find solutions to our health care system and making sure we have more choices for america. >> sandra: and i want to ask about the growing feud between former insider, anthony
scaramucci was the communications director for a short time the feud with the president where he supported the president a very long time and has now flipped saying the president is a nuclear meltdown mode. the president has fought back and said he's just mad he didn't keep him at the white house. what's happening here? what's going on and why are we seeing this? >> the only one having a nuclear meltdown is anthony scaramucci trying to get attention. the only way he can do it is to be highly critical of this pris. that's ridiculous knowing -- president. that's ridiculous knowing anthony scaramucci couldn't keep a job past the 11th or 12th day. at the white house there was the moment where the 11th day would reach and we would say we made it past scaramucci's time line. why? because he was an awful leader in the white house and staffers
who worked for him always remember that as being a dark time in the white house communications office which was at a point where he was highly critical of staff, threatening to the staff, to these young communication staffers simply trying to do their work and do the best they can do serve the president. they fact they're giving him any attention, the media giving him any attention is because the liberal media likes to find this one personality who only cares about himself, disability care about america and more focussed about that than the great work. >> bill: does the president have anything to add on the epstein matter? >> i think attorney general barr has gone out forcefully saying there was serious irregularities and they're investigating at this point to see what happened and why we've seen this incident in this correctional facility. >> bill: nothing from the white house then? >> i know at this point attorney
general barr is focussed on furthering the investigation and seeing where it goes. we're dealing with victims. this is a horrific tragedy and i know the department of justice is focussed on that right now. >> sandra: mercedes schlapp, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> sandra: an executive editor for "the new york times" saying it should change the way they cover race in the era of president trump. they change the front page headline so our a-team is back to debate. >> this is no longer the same "the new york times" we were raised on. it's changed. it's now an agenda-driven organization out to change the country.
>> sandra: the executive editor saying "the new york times" should do a better job of covering race issues and president trump in response to the mass shooting and the headline, trump calling for unity and drew attention from staffers. let's bring back our a-team. is the executive editor having a revelation here? >> the problem is that we have 90% of democrats think trump is a racist and most people reading "the new york times" are liberals and they want nothing to suggest he's not a racist or doesn't state that explicitly. it's a problem for "the new york times" that a paper that already seems to be liberal leaning but to be bullied by the twitter mob
is not a good look for them and that's the other thing. they don't want to be bullied around but want to get it right for their readers' sake. >> bill: i wasn't clear, capri if he said they should have not written the headline or kept the first headline. >> it seems murky to me as well. the fact they're having this conversation is ridiculous in my view because journalism is supposed to be about reporting the facts, not about placating readers or politicians or any sector whether you are president trump or ocasio-cortez. the business of journalism is supposed to be objective and roundabout be reacting to out --
shouldn't be reacting to outrage but reporting facts. >> sandra: there were quote, significant missteps. perhaps this is an opportunity for "the times" to look back in the age of reporting president trump. >> the news media in general is suffering a confidence of crisis among voters and it's not just among conservatives and republicans. democrats will look at papers like "the new york times" and saying their coverage of donald trump perhaps they covered him too much and gave him too much attention. there's folks with political ideologies and you look at "the new york times" and the trump era and they said the truth matter more than ever and the fact is why does it matter more now than when president obama was in office? the sense news organizations should hold leaders to task and trying to present the truth to
their read ers but the truth should owls -- always matter. >> there's no doubt trump is not a racist. he came onboard full throttle because he wanted to help poor disadvantaged communities most are consistently african american and hispanic communities. >> bill: you can make the case to the american people and campaign on it. how much do democrats try to make this the issue. >> democrats are absolutely focussing on president trump's rhetoric than his record. part of that is because president trump fuels the flames when he goes out and double downs on tweets and gets distracted and gets in the weeds with people's personalities and maybe brings race or gender in the discussion it plays in the narrative of the democrat.
>> bill: as a strategist you're arguing something else, you she had get back to the issues. >> both sides should get back to the issues. both sides have a more critical argument to peel -- appeal to independents and rather than calling everybody a racist and the left is un-american and the right are racist and we need to focus on issues and what we'll do for america. >> couple things. number one, folks who defend the president said he's an equal opportunity employer when it comes to bashing and had anthony scaramucci we'd hear cries it's motivated by racism. that presents an issue for folks focussing on rhetoric and he's not just a racist but white supremacist. there's nowhere else you can go and democrats may be overplaying their hand by going there and
>> bill: the best players in the league are butting heads over new helmets. >> the nfl wants players to know they'll be in the safest potential situation for head injuries. so antonio brown one of the more talented receives in football with tom brady were given a one-year reprieve, get used to the new helmets. they won't look at anything 10 years old. so if you have a helmet 10 years old though antonio brown has worn it his whole career, sorry. he filed a grievance and lost. >> bill: it's all about safety. >> they're trying to create an illusion of safety. it is football so. >> sandra: now to the top ten
college football towns according to sports illustrate ready number one, madison, wisconsin. >> where they said it's worth freezing in madison, wisconsin. where can you find a more picturesque spot. >> sandra: i would think baton rouge. >> in athens, georgia, there's 80 bars in one square mile the most amount of bars per capita in the united states. >> bill: they were number two. >> oxford, mississippi. >> bill: how many bars are in madison. >> not as many as athens, georgia. college station they say you haven't lived until you feel the stadium shake and sway back and forth. >> bill: oxford, ohio, smitty. >> my father's a life long huge
alabama game and sending him to a game in tuscaloosa to experience it because i know what that's all about. >> sandra: there's amazing college towns and number six, boulder, colorado. >> what a great city and if you're into hiking or biking, boulder is great for that and beautiful scenery. >> sandra: everybody has their pick. >> bill: thank you. >> sandra: meanwhile new questions over the death of jeffery epstein as we learn more details about how he died and we await the results of his autopsy. the latest on that investigation at the top of a brand new hour, come on back.
>> sandra: finance continues >> sandra: fox news alert as we learn more about what happened in the hours before jeffery epstein's body was found in the manhattan jail cell. welcome back to "america's newsroom." i'm sandra smith. >> bill: good morning to you. rudy giuliani was very interesting earlier today. i'm bill hemmer, good morning. fbi agent raiding epstein's private island after his death searching for new evidence in the sex trafficking case there amid intense scrutiny in the federal facility where he's being housed under a growing list of security lapses. here's rudy giuliani hours ago with us today. >> what happened is mind-boggling. it's impossible.
it's a small facility. it's not rikers island. i do not understand how anyone can explain not having him under 24-hour surveillance. >> bill: bryan llenas picks up the story. >> jeffery epstein was seeking legal help in the days before le died. there was a meeting nine days prior to his epstein and epstein wanted an attorney to take on a quarterback role on his legal team and schoen said a psychologist came in and met with epstein for five minutes as part of a suicide protocol and when ask about his demeanor he said he was engaged an excite about the approach we discussed to defending his case and said epstein would still be alive today if the judge had not unfairly denied bail and he and
his accusers could have had their day in court. now epstein was denied bail july 18, less than a week later he was reportedly found with marks on his neck and put on suicide watch and subsequently taken off days later. here's former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. >> the argument whether he was on suicide watch or not is silly. he should have been on watch. he was a high-risk prisoner, wasn't me? >> there was a report he hung himself with a bed sheet tied to the top of his bunk bed kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself. attorney general william barr said they're investigating serious irregularities including epstein had no cell mate and not clekd on for several -- checked on for several hours though checks are required every 30
minutes. "the new york times" reports one guard was not even a correctional officer and one guard worked 80 hours that week and the other was a volunteer. the union blames epstein's death on systemic understaffing by the bureau of prisons. >> bill: bryan llenas working the story in new york. >> sandra: and there's an investigation into epstein's death with many demanding answers from the acting director of the bureau of prisons saying any victims of mr. epstein's actions will be forever denied proper recourse and the competency and rigor of our criminal system has been marred by this apparent oversight. joining us is a commentary editor at the washington examiner. tim, what do you expect they'll learn from that investigation? >> for starters i think it's an excellent point. it's hard to trust in our administrations, in our ruling class when this sort of thing
happens. there's people who have all sorts of conspiracies but the innocent explanation is total and complete incompetence was a serious high-value prisoner they should be worried about suicide or anything else. is there anything the congressional investigation can do to restore trust. what i think they'll find in talking to people about prisons all over the country what they regular tell me about horrible conditions. recently, we had a prison escape. that's not the big problem. the big problem in most cases are rules are not followed. it's not run like a professional institution and that's going to turn up and be eye-opening for a lot of people. >> sandra: lots of questions about what happens next especially when it comes to attorney general bill barr and what he said were major
inconsistencies in the case and what happened in the jail cell. he plans to dig deeper. rudy ghoul -- giuliani said this early on the program. >> there'll be one heck of an investigation, he's tough as nails. that's the saving grace. all the facts have to come out otherwise the conspiracy theories will go wild. >> sandra: there's many details. do we find out more and get the questions answered ultimately, tim? >> again, it's hard to have a lot of trust in our institutions going back to epstein's whole life. the fact he basically skated and it seemed to be because he had connections to power. i share rudy giuliani's hope. i hope attorney general barr can do this and make it very obvious that every stone was turned not just the circumstances of his death but why he skated and what were his connection to very
powerful people. don't be afraid. i'm a catholic. my church has not done a good job exposing evil doing and tried to keep secrets and it's only further undermined trust and attorney general barr owe the country to look into his life, crimes and death so people can start to have confidence in the institutions again. >> sandra: as far as co-conspirators of jeffery epstein's, bill barr had this warning for them. >> let me assure you this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with epstein. any co-conspirators should not rest easy. the victims deserve justice and will get it. >> sandra: a strong message. final thoughts. >> i was glad to hear him say that. i absolutely hope it's carried out and the victims, those who
risk their lived and reputation and made their lives difficult by coming forward with this, those victims deserve justice and hope barr can deliver that. >> sandra: we'll watch it all as it unfolds. thank you. >> bill: there's been a deadly explosion in russia that killed five nuclear scientists. a new cruise missile may have been a factor in last week's explosion. now that russia's main research facility and a spike of radiation has been picked up near there. national security correspond ent jennifer griffin watching it. >> the explosion was smaller than chernobyl but the russian lives reminds people of the terrible incident and has people in northwestern russia scared. an evacuation has been train dispatched to ferry away anyone who may have been exposed to
radiation. u.s. officials suspect it comes from the new nuclear powered cruise missile known as sky fall. it killed at least five nuclear scientists working on the top secret program. radiation levels continue to spike in neighboring villages and scientist have been sent to moscow to deal with radiation 16 times the normal level. last month a fire on board a russian submarine killed 14 sailors nearby. days earlier a russian arms depot in siberia blew up injuring at least eight people. thousands of people attended funerals for the russian scientists during thursday's failed cruise missile test. the scientist on a barge at sea when the explosion threw them in the frigid water. russians are panicked about the increased radiation levels bringing back the painful
memories of the chernobyl disaster. president putin touted the success and boasted the missile could travel five times the speed of sound and evade u.s. defense systems. officials say the same missile crashed in the arctic last year resulting in a separate radiation leek. >> bill: jennifer griffin, thank you. >> sandra: and the top immigration official talking about a new rule for illegal immigrant and supporters saying it's just common sense. national border patrol president brandon judd00 will be here next. >> bill: and is background checks the right steps to stop another el paso. >> everybody takes a position and nobody talks to each other we have to do something about
video games. certain toys and computer monitors. for the moment there's been a truce. >> sandra: there's a point of contention and the move is giving the dow a boost. >> bill: at 11:15 in new york city. >> president trump's administration is reenforcing the ideals of self-sufficiency and responsibility ensuring immigrants can support themselves and become success here in america. >> sandra: that was acting u.s. customs and services director ken cuccinelli on a new white house green card rule that could limit the a immigrants that could enter and stay in the u.s. good morning. what does the new green card
rule mean? >> as it going to send a clear message around the world, you have to be able to come to the united states and if you want to come legally, you have to support yourself. what's interesting is you have these hard-left groups saying this rule shunt be implemented but if you go back to the clinton administration when i was a very young board patrol agent this is the rule implemented in the clinton administration. you should not come to the united states as an immigrant and be a burden on the tax paying system and that's how it was under the clinton administration. that's how it was under the bush administration and then it all changed under the obama administration and we relaxed all the rules and that's one of the things that spurs illegal immigration is when we don't enforce the current laws on the books. this is a very good thing for the american public for the taxpayer for people that come to
the united states, they're not to be a burden on the current tax system. >> sandra: what do you say to those who say it targets low-income immigrant and unfairly targets people in general? >> there's always been a standard you have to meet in order to come to the united states legally. if there wasn't a standard, then anybody would be coming from all over the world. so we have standards. it's when we actually enforce the standards you have a reasonable immigration system and again all you have to do is look at any country around the world. we are the country that opens our arms to more people throughout the world than any other country. we just want to have those standards to ensure that those people that are coming here are not going to be a burden on united states citizens and taxpayers. >> sandra: thank you for digging through it for us because it's an 837-page rule that will
impact about 382,000 people. there are going to be legal challenges. the new york attorney general said she plans to sue to block it and the aclu filed a petition. brandon judd, we appreciate your time this morning. we have breaking news, thank you. >> thank you, sandra. >> bill: live pictures at the airport in hong kong. this is a scene of chaos for the second day now the protesters have taken up their positions inside one of the terminals and the police are responding with force. last night and again today as we get the information here. the second day now the airport has essentially been shutdown and flights diverted. the government in beijing concerned about the ongoing protests in hong kong about a month's time. it initially began the protest against the law that could have been initiated for prosecution
out of hong kong back to mainland china. in will tell you, the analysts will tell you it's a bigger deal. it's about the autonomy of hong kong and how they want to remain a separate system away from beijing. >> sandra: taking the images it's something to see it happening at the hong kong international airport. it's one of the busiest if not the busiest in the world. handles about 1100 flights every day to 200 destinations. you can't even check to see if you're flight will take off. it's the second straight day of that. you can see the protests building there. they're blocking police bus are outside the airport. we have police in riot gear. you can see very clearly on your screen, it's a developing situation that seems to be growing by the day. >> bill: the comparison goes back to 1989 and tiananmen
square and the reason that's brought up is because you don't know the chinese government will react and at what point do they step on the gas and make a move against the protesters. late last night there was video going outonline -- out online and it was violent clashes and police taking people, four and five officers per protester being rather aggressive is an understatement if you watch the video and back at it again today. the word at the airport is check-in services for departing flights suspend. other departing flights have been complete. it's a major international airport from hong kong. flights were able to depart and land earlier today. greg palkot is watching the story to bring us updated on what we think we're dealing with
now, greg. hello to you in london. >> bill, yeah, we've been watching as you have too from the hong kong international airport. it looks like, guys, the authorities are saying enough is enough after five days of protests there at the scene in the airport. yesterday's protest basically shut the huge international hub down and we've been watching in the past 25 minutes riot police moving in and trying to clear at least some of the protesters away from first of the front of the feterminal and then going inside. we've watched some targeted arrests being made and watching chaos inside. yesterday there was about 5,000 protesters inside. it seemed like the number had built up as well. yesterday some 200 flights were cancelled. today at least 100 flights were cancelled. the rioters are activists who
have been busy the past 10 weeks protesting for more democratic reform and the territory basically run by china, a former british colony. it's called for a variety of measures. it started with a demand to drop a planned extradition bill. it started in the hundreds and then thousands and built to several million a couple times when we were out in hong kong we saw tens of thousands out in the street. now it's gotten quite violent and targeted. the protesters, bill, basically have found the soft underbelly of the hong kong government and that is international business status. they blocked highways. they blocked business areas but now they're getting to the airport which is actually at the core of things. earlier, bill, we heard beijing backed hong kong chief executive
kerry lam. she ratcheted up her rhetoric saying it's a dangerous situation she is saying and this is a quote from her, more violence will push hong kong down a path of no return and there's no word on any concessions being made by her by the beijing backed authorities which is what all the protesters are about. i think it should be noted also we have seen in the last two days put on official chinese media scenes, lines of armored police vehicles, atcs of what is called the people's liberation police. this is basically riot police backed by the people's liberation army, that is the chinese army being staged outside of hong kong. also there are barracks for the pla inside hong kong itself. but what we're seeing now is riot police moving into the and looks like after a fifth day of
protest, a second day of protests that has shut down the airport. they're trying to clear the folks out and trying to get this airport back working again at least ready for the next day, bill. >> sandra: but no sign yet, this is sandra here, no sign yet of any activity at the airport. we know some of the protesters were collecting baggage carts and stringing them together the protesters were, to block the police from coming in. we're still getting word there are busses of police in riot gear getting dropped off at this airport as the flight cancellations continue. the central government in beijing has characterized this movement as something approaching terrorism. we know it poses what they call an existential threat to the local citizens there. greg, is there any idea of police ability to get things back on track here? you think about the amount of business and tourism flow
through this huge international airport. what's the latest you're hearing on operations being able to get back online? >> well, sandra, that is the big question. china can do it. there's no question china cannot get this airport back operating again but it is worried about the blowback and the public relations it would take if, and this has been raised in the last couple plays, if there was a replay of what we saw in tiananmen square in 1989 a real crackdown by the chinese military by protesters in mainland china. china does not want to do that right now. hong kong is too important for their economy, china's economy is booming right now. hong kong still plays a critical role to funnel money in to the companies and government to keep their economy booming and it comes at a time of real trade economic tensions with the
united states. to that point and in the past 24 hours we've monitored what washington is saying and they've concerned about the things we've been seeing today and violence breaking out and a call for all sides to restrain themselves. the state department in the past 24 hours said in fact they defend the right of the protesters and their freedom of speech right and peaceful assembly right. right now we're not seeing a lot of peaceful assembly at this point of time and john bolton, national security adviser is echoing what the house is saying that the u.s. in no way is backing any of this protest and in fact president trump said it's a matter between beijing and the hong kong people and authorities but they certainly don't want this thing to get out of hand as well. washington watching very
carefully. there's a lot at stake on all sides, sandra. >> bill: as we watch these riot police they're geared up it's clear from me image. you said you saw thousands maybe at one point tens of thousand. do you know the numbers at the airport, that's the first question, and even if you move out the protesters from the airport they'll go elsewhere. if you get them out of the airport, it's not over, is it? >> absolutely not. what they've done, bill, and we saw the beginnings of it, it's a hit-and-run guerrilla tactic. we saw the million men marches, very peaceful and now there's a more violent approach. they model themselves, believe it or not, after the kung fu actor from the '70s, lee, who
said he moved like water. they move like water moving around the police and when they're being hit at one location, at a subway or central business area, they move to another place. over the weekend, we saw clashes between the police and the protesters at about 10 different areas of hong kong and at that time in fact police were using tear gas and pepper sprays and rubber bullets and according to the protesters they were using abusive tactics as well. the protest using molotauv cocktails too and this is an important hong kong airport, bill. >> bill: thank you. police arresting 700 since early june said they've infiltrate the ranks of the demonstrator. don't go, we'll keep you on the line for the story, and sandra
you mentioned beijing views this as approaching terrorism and posing an existential threat to the citizenry. >> sandra: think with the time of day. it's 11:30 and people can't check in. the tourism industry and people cannot go to or out of the airport. there's complete chaos with riot police getting dropped off by the busloads. they're clashing with protesters and using baggage carts to block people off and block access for police. all of this in the airport activity has been suspended now for a second straight day and
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chinese would back off but they don't have a sense of humor and when you shut down the international airport it's like the heathrow of asia. it gets serious and beijing likes to save face and this is not a face-saving situation. >> bill: what do you think we're watching now? >> i think we're watching the beginning, unfortunately. this is going to be a long process. china does not like the freedom in hong kong, it's simple. hong kong does things its own way and was part of great britain and china took over with a hands-off policy and now they're literally hands on. china wants a hands-on policy with regard to hong kong. among other things, hong kong has a lot of banking institutions. when money was running away from china and devalued the currency
four years ago it went into the hong kong banks to get out hundreds of billions even trillions left china. it hurt the chinese government and economy. the chinese want to take control of the banks but the worldwide banking institutions say if that happens, you'll have a communist banking system and as we all know the communists break all kinds of rules they're not allowed to in the free market. >> sandra: some protesters have been throwing bricks, eggs, flaming objects at the police. officers have suffered injuries afflicted by protesters and the instability has placed the city on a path of no return. t there'll be dialogue when the violence stops. what is going to stop the violence on the screen in front of us now?
>> it questions whether the pla have been integrated into the police force. the concern of the chinese government is that the police will somehow perhaps not join the protesters but not be as harsh as the chinese government would want. we have been told, we had a chinese expert on a couple days ago, michael pillsbury, excellent guest. >> bill: and you feel this could be beijing's way to work against the president in a national campaign a year from now? >> the decision may have been made in china that we're not
going to get the kind of deal done with this president and we should everything we can to delay negotiations through our election or actively try to sabotage the trade talks in order to prevent an economic boom that would help president trump get re-elected. in other words, it may be china's game may be to manipulate our electoral process. >> bill: interesting point. i don't know if the guests are truly on board but something to watch. >> i want to make this point, there are apparently about 1,000 pla troops and the question is whether that gare -- garrison of troops replace the army troops. >> bill: try to help us understand the calculation on behalf of the administration? >> i think the democratic
movement we're watching we tend to support democratic movements and they defeat the walls and randalized the place. i think they -- vandalized the place and think they lost some moral authority when they did that. what is tricky if this continues and gets ugly what impact does it have in trade talks and can we negotiate with beijing if there's bloodshed and does the lack of a trade deal bring the american economy down and have a negative repercussion on president trump's re-election prospects if the economy sputters if we don't get the chinese deal because of what's going on in hong kong. >> sandra: the central government in beijing characterized the movement we see playing out on your screen at the hong kong international
airport just before midnight as something approaching terrorism which they say is an existential threat to the local citizenry. what more officially are we hearing from them? >> there was a diplomat which met with protesters which is what diplomats do and assess what's going on on the ground and it was not a secret meeting but the chinese example used that meeting in their mind how the united states is behind these protests as part of the sabotage. by the way, it's an interesting scene. we shouldn't ignore what's transpiring right now. it appears there's somebody the police have been trying to arrest and you don't see them in the police uniform. the guy holding the band he's trying to wrap around the wrist
of the protesters is dressed in plain clothes. they're clearly using plai plain-clothe police and we're seeing this transpire. it's extraordinary today how we can get behind the scenes like this. >> sandra: the u.n. top human rights official is calling on protesters to settle their dispute peacefully. a spokesperson is saying they're using less lethal weapons use in unconvention unconventional norms as that scene continues to play out in hong kong.
you don't want to see tear gas shot in the face of protesters. it could be worse if beijing decides they've had enough and have a crackdown. i want to talk with the banking element and beijing wants to make sure it doesn't see capital flight. if i want to keep the money pouring in leave hong kong alone and continue to prosper and thrive and if it continues i think you'll see capital flight and rather than china it will go away. the best thing to do is leave the people of hong kong alone. >> bill: what do you think president xi's calculation is on that and where he comes down? it seems they've been trying to poke and prod and bring it down softly for the moment but hasn't worked.
>> they're trying to absorb the blows but keep getting pushed further and further and in chinese culture you have the idea of saving face and if they feel they're being publicly embarrassed by little hong kong attacking china they may feel they have to put them back in their place, if you will. >> bill: many are young, age 30 or younger. they probably don't remember the '90s. >> sandra: when the protests began they began around local offices and then took off the hong kong international airport. one of the biggest and busiest in the world to have an impact on business travel and tourism
and they're effective yesterday and today on that. >> it's the eighth largest in the world. imagine j.f.k. or lax. it's an airport along those lines and highlight the fact that hong kong is an absolutely pivotal place in the far east. it's pivotal for china and all the countries and malaysia and si singapore and others that have become important to the economy of the world as seems to be getting more out of control. it's chaotic. >> you want to see violent stuff go online and look at it from last night. up and down the escalators. you have four and five cops on a protesters with billy clubs
>> sandra: we're watching protesters in hong kong and police in riot gear and protesters taking over the busiest airport in the world. flights have been stopped for a second straight day as chaos continue. you have been watching this play out. set this up for us. what is happening on our screen? what are the demands coming from both sides? >> it's real difficult to discern how the chinese will act on this. have you massive protests
throughout pieces of hong kong and in different neighborhoods. what they're essentially doing, a lot of it has been flash mobs to this point. the chinese have tried to intervene with the police. the police are not breaking but they're bending a little bit. the police are trying to get inside the protests. you'll see some undercover officers and that's a tactic they began using through the rest of hong kong. they're trying to discern who the organizers and pick this thing a part as best they can now. >> sandra: they're shutting down operations at the airport. the protests have turned violent. they're asking both sides to come together and have a dialogue. we don't know. what we are seeing today may only be the beginning. >> i would think and look towards that. the global times of a quasi-official newspaper the
communist party and the rhetoric you've talked about started to use terms like terrorism. it's no longer protests but terrorism and they need to do something back. it's a national security issue for china. that's a key word. when they say protests they see it as a local problem police force handles and have you reports of the people's liberation army assembling across from hong kong. i'd not be highly surprised if you saw chinese mainland military intervention within the next week. >> sandra: that's certainly not been introduced yet. david, if you can stand by as we continue to cover this breaking news, david, jump in. >> what's happening now is the police are trying to discern whose working for them and -- who's working for them and who's protesting. they're separating the sides. we have to remember it was about 20 years ago when tiananmen
square happened in china in the mainland. that's when hundreds of protesters even thousands may have been killed. most were young. they're young, idealistic protesters who believe they should have the same freedoms they were accustomed to having in hong kong and as china began to impose its grip on the way people did business and the way the political structure work and all sorts of things hong kong people have been living with in freedom over 100 years and they are willing as the ty -- tiananmen square protesters were willing to do and we have troops from china coming in a big way the way the ended tiananmen sule you'll see death and
destruction. >> bill: david comes back in the conversation and they have shown the chinese military doing their own gathering on that side of the border. >> you've seen narratives and rec -- rhetoric. they loaf they love to use the word fire and protesters have been fine but haven't help themselves by doing the molotov cocktails and now the gasoline bombs have turned it violent and chance and there's books on governance and china and where do they sit in
chinese rule and the one party, two systems idea. that will determine how they move forward. you have the financial times i think last week retail sales in hong kong are down 6.7% or something like that. have you limited tourism because of the warning. flights are impacted. it's a mess. but the chinese are always leaned one way and that's force. >> the military in china has a lot of business interests. they're not in it for necessarily the military glory. a lot of them are in it for the money. the military have hundreds of billions worth of business. as those businesses begin to decline, partly because of the tariffs the united states put on and also because of the fear of what's going to happen in hong
kong, those military leaders may be less likely to support president xi and his backdown and may look for their own personal interest. >> will there be dialogue in the situation. it may be just a mob taking on a life of its own. if the chinese say let's sit down and talk about this is a nelson mendela or martin luther king type leading the group? >> sandra: gordon, join the conversation as we continue to watch the protests play out in hong kong. >> i don't think there really is a leader there. there's no joshua wong or benny tai. it's a leaderless resolution and gives it weaknesses and strength and it makes it hard to control because there's nobody there to talk to. and the protests can't be stopped by the jailing of leaders which is essentially
what happened in october of 2014 with the occupy protests. >> sandra: it will take both sides to engage in the dialogue and bring this to an end. what ultimately do you see happening to have these protesters at the very least clear out of the hub. >> they can be forced out we saw that when beijing saw the concern and they left to other location to protest. so beijing can intimidate them but can't prevail over the long term and that's the problem for beijing, first, they don't have anything to talk to and can't go to what they want.
one side will win and the other side will lose. it won't be a negotiated compromise in all probability. >> bill: what's the calculation on behalf of the chinese leadership in beijing? at what point do you make a move to end it? >> i tend to think beijing won't deploy troops in force or ultimately because long term the protesters and people of hong kong will prevail. it's not armored car country it favors the defenders and you have to determine both. you have to remember there already are mainland police or military mixed in with the hong kong police wearing hong kong police uniforms. we saw the video of the hong
kong policeman obviously from hong kong because the way he speaks cantonese and then turns to other riot police and talks too them in mandarin which is not spoken in hong kong, generally, and addressed them as comrade which is clearly what you use from one hong kong policeman to another unless the hong kong policeman quote, unquote, was from mainland china unless they're already in the region. >> bill: the president is talking en route to pennsylvania and talking. >> it won't be relevant. he's a highly respected conservative pundit. a big trump man. that was from him. he's a man with a lot of
followers and bill barr wants to do an entire investigation of the whole epstein matter. it's been going on a long time the whole epstein episode and it's under investigation by attorney barr. the retweet was from somebody that is a respected conservative pundit. [question unaudible] >> they're saying they want an investigation. i want a full investigation. that's what i absolutely am demanding. that's what our great attorney general is doing, he's doing a full investigation. [question inaudible] >> the hong kong thing is a
tough situation. very tough. we'll see what happens. i hope it work out for everybody including china, by the way. i hope it works out for everybody. it's a tricky situation. i think it will work out and i hope it work out for liberty. i hope it work out for everybody including china. i hope it works out peacefully. i hope nobody gets hurt. i hope nobody gets killed. >> is there a chance of a deal with china on trade? >> i've always been optimistic and they were hoping to deal with somebody weak and ineffective like in the past. it should have been done 25
years ago, 10 years ago it should have been done a long time ago by biden and obama. they've taken $500 billion a year and much more than that if you include the theft of intellectual property. what i'm doing now should have been done many years ago. [question inaudible] >> on the statue of liberty said immigrant ought to stand up for themselves. >> i don't think it's fair to have the american taxpayer, it's about americans first, it's not fair to have the american taxpayer pay for people to come into the united states. what we've done is institute what took place many many years ago. we are just reinstituting it and it's long overdue. i'm tired of seeing our taxpayer paying for people to come into
the country and immediately go on to welfare and various other things. i think we're doing it right. i think what chris cuomo did was horrible. his language was horrible. he looked like a total out of control animal and lost it. i don't think anybody could defend him because he spews lies every night i don't know why anybody would defend him. he was out of control. i watched him and it was terrible. i don't know whose defending him. maybe they didn't see it but anybody who would have seen chris cuomo would have said it's a disgrace. you've never seen me do that. t. >> reporter: [indistinct question]
>> president trump: i think chris cuomo was so out-of-control that i would not have wanted to see a weapon in his hands. i guess his fist is not a weapon. or he would have done something. he talked about it but he didn't do anything. i think chris cuomo was very much out of control, actually. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: he was a guy who works for me, who really didn't have a clue. he worked for 11 days. he made terrible statements and judgments and everything to people who worked in the office. i think you heard, mercedes schlapp talked about in great detail. he didn't support me at the beginning. he was with somebody else. then he went to somebody else. and he only supported me after it was a foregone conclusion that i was going to win. i'm not a fan of his, i haven't been for a long